Thank you again for not just stating which is a bit more historically realistic of the two mentioned shows but also for fully explaining the reasoning behind your statements so that people cam clearly see which wpuld be better suited for their personal tastes, your writing is superb and I hope to read many more enlightening posts from you. Is the audience supposed to know he is Italian but not think about it with everyone else? The Borgias. I watched and enjoyed the entire American series and thought it was good. Genres Drama Subtitles English [CC] Audio languages English. Borgia: Faith and Fear. That will be fascinating! Borgia: Faith and Fear, episode 1. A device built as an expression for humanities hatred of itself, brought about ultimately by Earth’s position visa a vi the Sun which produces and uneven climate and thus beings that are uneven in temperament. Best regards, Rawls from The Wire is playing Rodrigo Georgia? Cesare awaits an answer to his ultimatum to Florence, while Rodrigo is stricken ill and Lucrezia becomes embroiled in sexual politics. So much we know. But Cesare is hell bent on his own ascension at any cost -- leading to an epic father-son struggle with Lucrezia as the reluctant pawn. I cringed when a cardinal or other in one of the early episodes of Borgia: Faith and Fear mentioned ‘chocolate’ when Columbus was still en route to the Americas, so thank you for putting things in perspective. In the end, both these shows are successfully entertaining, and were popular enough to get second and third seasons in which we can enjoy such treats as Machiavelli and Savonarola (Showtime’s planned 4th season has been cancelled, though there are motions to fight that). Borgia: Faith and Fear, Season 1. His powers are threatening to slip from his hands. Since some people do and some don’t know their gory Borgia history, part of the audience knows it’s coming, and part doesn’t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pier_Luigi_de_Borgia,_1st_duke_of_Gand%C3%ADa. Showtime toned it down to a level that matches what the typical modern imagination might expect. Abu Ghraib Buy Episode 1 HD $2.99. – I am an historian. The accent was totally jarring, as was the delivery. For those who’s curiosity is piqued by these elements, Starz’ Spartacus series is replete with far more graphic sex and violence. This to me is key in any good historical drama: whether I can feel the writers are devoted to exposing what is fascinating about the period – this in addition to making good narrative. One of the heads of the Orsini family bursts into his bedroom and catches Juan (Giovanni) Borgia in flagrante with his wife. 2011; 3 seasons Netflix Drama Watchlist. Sex Slaves Cesare's new mistress could trigger a diplomatic incident, and public allegations of debauchery are made against the https://www.bigfishgames.com/games/6921/borgia-faith-and-fear There’s so much going on that the Previously On recap gives up and just says: “The College of Cardinals is controlled by the sons of Rome’s powerful Italian families. As far as the negative comments some have made, a Queen using the floor as a toilet for example, it clearly shows those who respond with personal attacks or obvious outrage are just taking life too personally, who cares is a Queen or a President or whomever in the past relieved themselves in a hallway or their reasoning for doing so, it has no bearing on how good a leader someone was or what their country fought through to get where they are in the world, as we all know, most kingdoms and countries and leaders of all past generations have likely done (if not historically proven) horrific things to others including ,any of their own citizenship. I study heresy, freethought, the recovery of the classics after the Middle Ages, and their impact on science, religion and atheism. Then I watched season 1 of Borgia Faith and Fear… Episode 8: Prelude to an Apocalypse [8:50] 1. Cesare's renegade generals mount a rebellion against him, while those close to Rodrigo conspire against him, all on the eve of Lucrezia's wedding. I still watch because I became a fan of Lucy Lawless after watching Spartacus series. Yes the accent mix is not ideal, and Yes, the acting is not fantastic at all in Borgias F&F in comparison to the wonders of Jeremy Irons – However, that does not make or break a show for me, particularly when I watch for a genuine interest in the period (Please allow me to also caveat this by saying I am by no means any historian nor expert in the fields, therefore cannot comment on the historical (in)accuracy.). 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American would do much better as an Italian than a czech person. Showtime he is a violent rapist, and she claims he never consumated the marriage to get an annulment. I remember the turning point moment. I much preferred the sexy brooding but generally decent Henry in the earlier period – and yes, I agree I could watch Johnathan Rhys Meyers shirtless all day long! The Borgias Concluded With "The Prince," but Did It Leave ... SciFi Vision - The Borgias 2.4 Review: "Stray Dogs" Details about Borgia Faith and Fear: Season 3 (DVD) NEW/SEALED [Region 4] The Borgias Season 3: Spoilers for June Episodes. The symbolism and meaning behind things that you don’t really think about. Disc #1 -- Borgia: Season One 1. START YOUR FREE TRIAL Log In. agree! WE LIVE IN AMERICA!!!! I’ve tried in vain to make the same arguments many times. Hello Select your address All Hello, Sign in. How he would have manipulated it for Piccolomini to be the next Pope, and then himself. The mix of accents bothered me at first as well. Likewise the sex scenes are almost entirely gratuitous. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Borgia - Faith and Fear - Seasons 1 2 3 -european TV Series UK R2 DVD at the best online prices at eBay! Oscar winner Jeremy Irons stars as the charismatic Rodrigo Borgia, the head of an infamous Renaissance-era Italian family who will let nothing and no one stand in the way of his relentless quest for power. Episode 6: Legitimacy [1:44] 1. Again the series is hardly alone in this. B:F&F‘s Little Brother Cesare is starved for affection, uncertain about his path, torn about his religion, and slowly growing up in a baby-snake-that-hasn’t-yet-found-its-venom kind of way. I think Borgia was better in terms of accuracy and reflecting the time, but The Borgias was better in settings and good costumes. ). Is there anyone who thins that Doman’s acting was actually good? 4.1 out of 5 stars 9 ratings. Unfortunately I can't find season 3 anywhere, and the discs won't work on Region 1 … My info says “Borgia: Faith and Fear” is filming season 3 now. Where to Watch. Watch Borgia Season 3 Episode 1. I’m only up to the middle of season 1 of the foreign version, but Lucrezia is more innocent in this one. item 1 BORGIA - Faith And Fear, Season One 1, DVD (Region 1 - USA), New Sealed 3-Discs 1 - BORGIA - Faith And Fear, Season One 1, DVD (Region 1 - USA), New Sealed 3-Discs $24.95 Free shipping In the meantime I shall read. The fact that people take efforts to hide this sort of thing normally proves the point. World leaders are bad people. With Mark Ryder, Isolda Dychauk, Diarmuid Noyes, John Doman. I think both shows are very historically accurate in the technical sense of using names and dates (both super accurate by the standards of more off-the-rails historical shows like Xena Warrior Princess), so it’s “accurate” if you judge it by that metric, but “The Borgias” changes a lot (especially in Florence!) So well written, compelling and informative and NEVER boring. Watch previews, find out ways to watch, go behind the scenes, and more of Season 3 Episode 1 of the SHOWTIME Original Series The Borgias. Then, not realizing it had been cancelled, I started watching “Borgia” to get my fix while waiting for new episodes. The epitome for me of this are the old BBC series ‘Six Wives of Henry VIII’ and ‘Elizabeth R’. Anyway, thanks again for a wonderful article! The netflix version he is a kind man who loves her, and his first wife died but he cannot get it up. I won’t speak too much to the historicity of the two series as I’m neither expert in the pontificate of Alexander VI nor more generally the daily life in late 15th C Italy. I respect that it bothers some people, and also that there is great merit in getting things right. Oscar winner Jeremy Irons stars as the charismatic Rodrigo Borgia, the head of an infamous Renaissance-era Italian family who will let nothing and no one stand in the way of his relentless quest for power. Is everyone else supposed to be speaking Latin all the time? Cesare's ultimate judgment is realized while Lucrezia struggles to make sense of her family's history and its future. Here‘s an interesting article by a historian comparing the two Borgia […], “a French-German-Czech and ITALIAN production” If some fool man tried to auction me off like a head of livestock, I believe I’d remove his head, instead, and run for the hills! I think in general that in BFF it’s hard in the first two episodes to get used to the sort-of clash of accents, I too found myself feeling a bit awash, uncertain whether the accents were supposed to be differentiating the characters’ backgrounds in some way or whether they were just the actors’ natural voices. Includes all 12 1-hour episodes… There were very few scenes that I considered well acted with reactions being comical most of the time! Every single one of these people has committed homicide, or had goons do it? The product needs to communicate to the audience, use the material in a lively way, change what has to be changed, and keep what’s awesome. Thanks for those tidbits. This is amazing. They focused just enough on this discomfort to make it the heart of a powerful and successful show, but there even an accurate depiction of attitudes from a few decades ago makes all the characters feel like scary aliens. I kept trying to figure out if they were trying to communicate something by having each member of the Borgia family have a radically different accent. Thanks for the blog. The acting is abismal and it is astounding and disturbing that viewers are incapable of identifying such terrible acting! Maybe Iam criticizing Borgia series too harshly but I just feel that they miss the overall energy of people and Rome and possibly its mostly about the chosen actors that dont convince me and they have a lack of energy in their roles. Yes. Dear fans of the Showtime’s version, why cannot you just peacefully drool over your “wonderful Borgiacest”, or Francois Arnaud’s leather pants, or Micheletto’s gay adventures, or whatever? Historical liberties didn’t bother me—it’s entertainment, after all. As a Renaissance scholar who is also a historical novelist, I completely agree, and only admire your ability to “let go” of inaccuracies you spot. I hope I wasn’t the only one to catch that. I thought having Lucretzia actually *look* like a teen was great. The only possible way I see for Cesar to be the older brother is if Rodrigo Borgia was not really Cesar’s father. But his character development is much better, and he gets more attractive starting in season 2. Lots, possibly the majority of influential clerics in Rome overtly live with mistresses? Rodrigo returns from his monastery and makes Lucrezia First Counselor, while Cesare remains on a military campaign to subjugate the rebel provinces. You are a very interesting person. As a ruthless Pope Alexander clings desperately to power, he must rely on Cesare to exact revenge on his enemies and secure the family legacy. Add to Watchlist. His mistress was also active in the political affairs of the Vatican, which did not sit well with the traditionalists. Skip to main content.sg. Keep blogging. When it’s time for a public execution, the mandatory cheap thrill of this genre, it  goes straight for just about the nastiest Renaissance method I know of, sawing a man in half lengthwise starting at the crotch and moving along the spine. The reason historically that it’s not easy to say “Cesare was clearly the 2nd son, he went into the Chuch” was that Rodrigo had an elder bastard, Pier Luigi, by a different mother, who died fairly young, shortly before Rodrigo’s election to the papacy. But despite that, the story and development were far better. Rodrigo and Cesare don’t feel guilty about killing people, they feel guilty the first time they kill someone dishonorably. TVMA • Drama • Crime • History • TV Series • 2011. Showtime’s Big Brother Cesare is grim, disillusioned, making hard decisions to further the family’s interests even if the rest of the family isn’t yet ready to embrace such means. It was also a very enduring fabric, though, since it didn’t show stains, so one piece of black cloth could often be worn for many years, even generations. I’ve been a Borgia nut since I was a kid some 65 years ago. Season 1; Season 2 (745) IMDb 7.8 2011 X-Ray TV-MA. However….I fear I may fall into the category of the squemish 21st Century viewer with modern sensabilities, as scenes such as the one you describe of the man being cut in half make me feel very disturbed and upset. Once I got used to it I thought the acting was above par for TV. My son told me, “think of it like a fantasy world.” So, that’s what I try to do when I see Morgana walking around in high heel pumps. Laura. Kal, © 2013 - 2021 Ex Urbe. It is quite interesting though to see the comparison between these two shows, and I think they complement themselves rather than being in ‘competition’ on historical matters. Watching The Borgias (love Jeremy Irons) (tried Faith and Fear – too graphic for my refined sensibilities, lol), and just finished a book on Lucrezia Borgia. Closed Caption; ; The Making of "Borgia: Faith and Fear" Scene Index. When one of his commanders captures a city without authorisation, Cesare must appease a ruler. It’s a professional risk, and I know plenty of people whose ability to enjoy a scene is completely shattered if Emperor Augustus is eating a New World species of melon, or Anne Boleyn walks on screen wearing the wrong shade of green. Please, never stop blogging. I felt the international version flowed so much better than the showtime one. It is so gripping! Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. That was a bizarre casting choice that I still haven’t got my head around. I agree with other commenters. In this gripping third and final season, the fate of the Borgia family is revealed. (I do get one nitpick. Borgia (TV Series 2011–2014) - IMDb. 7.3 (193) 0 ... to predict Cesare's future. Thanks. Dan, Oh, please deliver me from this terrible oppressive marriage, help me Cesare. Glad you’re enjoying it so much! While I enjoy both shows–both will pass the basic TV test of making you enjoy yourself for the 50 minutes you spend in a chair watching them–the international series consistently succeeded in making the people and their behavior feel more period. My understanding (and I’d be happy to be corrected) is that black (dark black, not light grey) until fairly recently represented extremely expensive cloth, because of the dye required. Shows ignoring history or changing it around does bother me sometimes, especially if a show is very good and ought to know better. As for black lasting, that’s only true up to a point. Lucrezia's son suffers a potentially mortal fall. Download to watch offline and even view it on a big screen using Chromecast. The name Borgia stands for betrayal, intrigue and corruption in the Vatican, which was the center of the world during the Renaissance. It seems to me the writers do not particularly care the stories are set in Renaissance Rome; they could just as easily be set in the Restoration English court or France during the Terror. Thanks! If I’m ever in a position to help decide which of these professors gets tenure, I know where my vote is going. I wish the current batch of TV shows didn’t feel the need to include graphic prolonged sex scenes. So many questions about humanity and religion. The fact that we so revile ISIS is a prime example. Rome in 1492 was so corrupt, and so violent, that I think they don’t believe the audience will believe them if they go full-on. Frankly, I see the lack of historicity in “The Borgias” as something of a mess once the full comparison can be made over the two shows’ respective runs. Don’t you think Cesar Borgia would have been the 2nd son based on the fact he was the one chosen to be in the priesthood, and Juan was the one that was to be the one to marry into an important noble Italian family? It feels exaggerated. The script was also far superior, although a bit wordy at times. As to being just a drama (as opposed to an historical one), I don’t think it succeeds particularly well either. Personally, I would have interpreted Lucrezia wearing her black mourning dress from her previous marriage (was it from her 1st or 2nd marriage?) 5 May 2013 The Banquet of Chestnuts ... Add episode. It is quite graphic and a bit risqué but if you like the genre this is a must!! Da Vinci’s Demons, But also other historical periods…but for the same reasons I sympathize with the inability to ignore niggling errors, and I know any expert suffers from it, whether a physicist watching attempting-to-be-hard SF, or a doctor watching a medical show, or any sane person watching the Timeline movie. My opinion is, if you’ve got big enough balls to say such filth on a public post, you ought to have big enough ones to sign your name to it! Furthermore, the ordinary people feel threatened by a mythical creature with a mule's head. And behold. Black only became cheap with anilene dyes post 1856. I do hope there is a 4th season of The Borgias, because I would love to see it! As long as bad people rule the world, there were will no hope for humanity in developing into a reasonable, judicious being. $7.99; View in iTunes. Smaller budget, Shorter series/seasons                                            Longer seasons, enabling slower pacing, more detail, Bigger name actors                                                  Extremely international cast (accents sometimes strong), More glossing over details                                       More historical details (can be more confusing as a result), Makes Cesare older than Giovanni/Juan                Makes Giovanni/Juan older than Cesare (<= historians debate), Focus on Cesare as mature and grim                     Focus on Cesare as young and seeking his path, Lots of typical TV sex and violence                         More period-feeling sex and violence, Generally less historicity                                         Generally more historicity. I fully agree that something does not need to be fully accurate when presented as entertainment because in watching an historical film or tv show, many viewers then become interested enough to explore further, by buying books or reading online articles about the actual story. ... Borgia Faith & Fear, Season 3 2016 Viewers Also Bought See All. I think they were trying to get the feel of the time, with no electric light, but not sure it makes for the best TV. I was surprised however that the European version suggests that Juan was dispatched by his sister….interesting. In a real historical piece, if they tried to make everything slavishly right any show would be unwatchable, because there would be too much that the audience couldn’t understand. These are just two examples, but typify the two series. I am confused!). And will go on beeng it, if you won’t start THINKING. Original Air Date: Apr 3, 2011. There were some comments about inferior acting ability of John Doman (someone mistakenly referred to “Dorman”). I, too, have struggled with overly criticizing historically based productions, and have come to appreciate the limits and power of this genre. Just finished all 38 episodes and loved every minute….. but so confused about the final scene of cesare in”the Americas.” Can you help me understand? Guantanamo wasn’t closed. Season 3. After the election this same Cardinal will be equally shocked that the Holy Father has a mistress, and bastards. Hence portraits of Queen Elizabeth, for example, wearing a white gown covered with pearls. Download to watch offline and even view it on a big screen using Chromecast. The audience needs the bodice and sleeves to expose the bits of her modern audiences associate with sexy, regardless of which bits would plausibly have been exposed at the time. Combine TV series with researched written literature for total confusion on “what actually happened.” We have camera footage of JFK’s assassination, today’s 24/7, TV / cell phone recording of every moment in life, and still varying opinions and conspiracy theories abound. John Doman delivers his lines so horribly at times. I must confess it’s not entirely fresh in mind, but my main criticism of it while watching it was the lack of at least one moral character. It wasn’t the most expensive, not as expensive as blue or purple, or a strong red, but expensive, more expensive than intense green, yellow or orange tones and much more expensive than weaker and mixed dyes like gray, brown, pink, pale colors etc. It sucks there’s no way around it. And why do you write THIS about THE QUEEN??? ... Borgia: Faith and Fear, Season 1 2011 Viewers Also Bought See All. movie. The superb HBO series Rome, which does an absolutely unparalleled job presenting Roman social class, slavery, and religion, nonetheless left me baffled as to why a studio making a series about the Julio-Claudians would feel driven to ignore the famous historical allegations of orgies and bizarre sex preserved in classical sources and substitute different orgies and bizarre sex. But there will be more tales of Borgias in time… there always are. If anyone is reading this and can’t be bothered to look him up, Gesualdo (heir to the principality of Venosa) found his wife in bed with another man (a duke) and killed them both. Pale baby pink looked cheap to people, so a dressmaker wouldn’t make that choice. That is historicity, and the modern audience is left in genuine shock. TOO GRAPHIC?? Thanks for the much-needed date. More purchase options. HBO’s Rome had it (first season, but not the second), ‘Vikings’ when it works has it, ‘The Last Kingdom’ has it too. Season 3 Episode Guide Season 3 Season 1 Season 2 Season 3 14 Episodes 2014 - Episode 1. All the details are right, but the mix is wrong. Lacey Nicole Chabert (/ ʃ ə ˈ b ɛ r /; born September 30, 1982) is an American actress.One of her first roles was playing Erica Kane's daughter on All My Children.She was the third … Now I’m going to go nuts while criticizing one specific thing you said that made its point perfectly when read in context. I have watched both versions and although they are both historically inaccurate, there is NO comparison between the two! I’ve been to some places. In the show, I don’t remember being told at any point that he was from a noble family himself. These types of scenes are not taken to the lengths of graphic horror movies or pornography…though viewer discretion is advised. Indeed dye is the one minor criticism one can level at it, and only two of Lucrezia’s many dresses are concerned : both her later dresses and Julia’s use very strong color, as well as Lucrezia’s mother’s. The guy playing Cesare in the Netflix version is hideous.. an unappealing actor I must say, but their Juan is better looking.. although perhaps his acting skills not as good because I don’t hate him like the Showtime version.
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